Joyce Residents: “We want Quality over Quantity for Consultations!” April 6 Event Summary


Here is a summary of the City workshop hosted on April 6, 2016 at Collingwood Neighbourhood House. City staff and representatives from St. Mary’s, BC Housing and the Parks Board met with residents to discuss the Joyce Station Precinct Review. Residents were invited to join discussions on Affordable Housing, Transportation & Pedestrian Connections, Amenities, Heights & Housing Options 

It’s good to see the City engaging the community but we still have issues with the way its being done. It is clear from the other night that the plans should not go to City Council in June because we are still not being heard.

Below is a summary of the event with quotes from attendees and criticisms of the consultation process.

Consultation Process, still not good enough

Residents cramped around one topic table on April 6, 2016. It was difficult to see plans and hear people speaking.

Following a powerpoint presentation by senior city planner, Paula Huber, the City allowed a very short Q&A. We were only given 5 minutes and 3 questions from the crowd. The large group of residents (around 70 people) seemed to all be on the same page as they nodded and encouraged their neighbours.

What attendees had to say about the process:

Breaking into smaller groups right away is one way to diffuse group momentum and dissension.”

“Previous planning process involved keeping topics and people together so that the group could connect all issues and form a cohesive strategy”

Transportation and Pedestrian Connections

Traffic is still a major concern for residents, especially if the City is planning more density in our already crowded neighbourhood.

“The plan is for conventional width sidewalks of 5 -5.5 meters. We suggested much wider to open up more possibilities for performance, gathering, benches, cafe tables etc etc. We suggested asking the community what width of sidewalk they want.”

“Joyce cannot be widened, traffic will block up side streets. Seems there has been little thought to the Boundary Wall development and the traffic those buildings will create on Vanness and Joyce.”

Housing Options

We are still unclear on why or how heights were chosen for the towers proposed. The only reasons that the City provides are that they want the heights to gradually go from taller to shorter and they want to densify at the skytrain stations. JARA would like to see the evidence for the need to densify. Other experts have said that density increases are being used all around the city without hard evidence to prove the necessity.

“I asked whether families desired apartment living or prefer a broader range of choice and my question was not answered.”

Affordable Housing

The commitments to affordable housing are still unclear. While BC Housing and the City have finally started to communicate, one city planner, Matthew Burke, confirmed that there is NO TIMELINE to increase the units on the BC Housing site. JARA is asking for 20% social housing to be built into the policy statement, which is fairly standard in other neighbourhoods.

“The BC Housing representatives assured us that the Vanness Avenue site is not a priority for redevelopment in the foreseeable future as other sites have more need. Her opinion was, since the requirement for social housing will not be met in the planned Towers, that objective must/could be accomplished on the City Vanness Site.“

Community Amenities

No Community Centre or Recreational Facilities

One resident raised the fact that no amenities were in the plan. Paula Huber and the City maintain that Renfrew and Killarney Community Centres (35+ minute walks for us) are good enough for our residents. The room disagreed. The City insists more people are coming to the Joyce Area. For this reason, we want a community centre with recreational facilities like a swimming pool and fitness gym.

There are still no clear amenities proposed by the City. Collingwood Neighbourhood House has been working on community amenity strategies for some time and would be a great resource for planners to connect with. There are still no cultural amenities. We would like a clear list of amenities to be built into the City’s policy statement and we want thorough community consultation for this process.

JARA handouts given to every attendee.

Short-term actions (What can I do now?):

  • Attend Single Family Homes meeting with the City on April 13th at Collingwood Neighbourhood House
  • Send any questions or complaints to and cc or include us in the email
    • Cannot make the scheduled time? Write her that we need more QUALITY consultation time. Have feedback on how she can consult us better? Write to tell her how she can improve.
    • Ask for consultation sessions that deal with one topic at a time.

We must delay the process until residents really feel that they have been heard and their ideas have been implemented into the plan that will go before the City Council.


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